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    Hi Guys,

    I am a total newbie to the world of FT and the new high powered target PCP's. Done some research and I am getting more and more interested the the whole thing (think it might be great fun). I have a few questions around guns prices scopes etc. and i hope you guys will be able to help me with some answers.

    Here we go:

    • I want to get into FT but i don't want to buy a cheap gun now and have to buy another one later. I read somewhere that the Walther Dominator had some issues with pellet speed consistencies at varying temperatures. Has this been rectified?

    • As far as scopes go, i know nothing about them, any suggestions?

    • I have not priced any of my new equipment yet ( i know it will be quite expensive) I have a hunch that it might be a lot cheaper if i import the goods myself, has anyone done this before or is it a bad idea? Don't get me wrong i would love to support our local shops but if they are going to charge me thousands more then to me that is a no brainer

    • Where will i get the best prices, if i didn't import myself?


    I await your much valued input, recommendations and feedback!

    Thanks!
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    i had a chat with Steve from Target Specialists and the prices he gave me for a Walther Dominator (wooden stock) and a Nikko-Stirling 10-50x60 scope was quite good (will not import, local prices are very reasonable)

    Read a whole bunch of articles and it looks like this gun (Walther) set the benchmark it FT accuracy and some guys like the EV2.

    Where else will i be able to get some prices (just to compare)?

    Thanks guys!
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    Hi hdp, and welcome to the forum.

    Your best bet is to first find and join a club so that you can start to try various rifles before parting with any cash.

    Regarding the Dominator - the rectifications required have to be carried out after manufacture. While this rifle has acheived some note on a local SA basis it is not the only good rifle out there and to be honest has yet to really perform on an international basis.

    I would strongly advise that you avoid buying a gun based on what looks 'cool', you really should examine ALL the options before making a purchase and not get swayed by whoever has the smoothest sales pitch. Just because a rifle is cheaper does not make it less suitable, after all Jason Guthries took 3rd place in this years worlds using a lightly modifed Air Arms S400 and finished some way clear of the nearest Dommie.

    While an accurate rifle is required for FT, probably the most important element is a scope that will give good consistent range finding. If anything I would advise that you should get the best scope you can afford. If you are serious about FT then I would not recommend anything less than the Nikko-Stirling 10-50x60 or its Lynx counterpart. If you can afford to spend more then also consider the 8-32x40 Bushnell Elite 4200, or if you can locate one, a Premier Reticles converted Leupold, or consider holding out for one of the new S&B scopes to be released next year.

    Regarding direct import, some folk are choosing this route, what it can offer is the option to pick up a very good second hand FT rifle with proven track records for substantially less than the lates so-called 'wonder guns'.

    Have fun.

    Dale
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    hi hdp

    The problem is solved on the walthers when buying it.
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    Hi Guys,

    Thanks for all the replies and PMs!

    Dale, Good advice! i agree purchasing a rifle based on looks is not the way to go. I have decided not to import as the price difference will not be that large. I have read quite a few review (EV2, LG110, LG300) and the general feeling around these guns tend to be the same; they are all high quality very accurate rifles. I have no doubt that the S400 is an equally accurate rifle in the right hands But for me i need all the help i can get for now.

    Used to do Archery and spent lots of time there by Guthrie's, FT looks like it is going to be great fun, looking forward to it!

    Sniper, that is good to hear!

    I went to Snipers' shop this afternoon, man what a treat!
    He provided lots of helpful advice and quoted some great prices!

    And he even let me shoot his baby I think i am in love, such a streamline solid feeling gun, very nice.

    Man, i can't wait to get my own gun and throw some lead!

    Cheers
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    hdp, I agree with Dale, I had a S400, and can vouch for its excellent accuracy. I still say it is the best value for money PCP around. I now own a Dominator and simply love it. And after the small mod that it undergone, (I did it myself, that is how simple it is), it shoots fantastic. Check out the scores of all the Dommies of late.

    I would like to state,(Gerrief will love this), that you dont need a racegun to be competitive, Jason to name but one, proved it with his S400. But if you want a racegun, you would not be satisfied with anything else. A good shot will shoot equily well with most good PCP's, its a matter of personal choice and fit.

    I'm not blind to the faults of the Walther, like being to heavy with such a big scope as the Lynx on it for standing shots with my thin forearms, but then again, the weight might be an advantage when sitting, and FT is almost 95% sitting. If you are comfortable with it, it will definately dont let you down in the accuracy and performance department. (It can be made lighter, like I'm now going to do to mine, it just cost a lot)
    I still say that the Dommie has the best trigger off the shelf that I have ever felt. The stock is very adjustable in all departments, and can be adjusted to suit most.

    The fact that you could shoot at least 250 good shots out of one fill is also very nice when practicing.

    It might be so that they have not made huge inroads on the international scene yet, but it is against an overwhelming amount of AA shots from the UK. By that, I don't mean anything negative against AA. They're not on top for nothing, they're very good.

    Before this year, nobody took notice of SA's FT team, and after the past world's, every body know who SA is.

    The mod's to the Walther came just 2 days before our team left for Poland, and to be fare on Hennie, he would have done much better if he had more time to set it up properly, and learn its new found form.

    The results speak for itself. Since the return of our team from Poland, the Dommies has truely dominated the local scene. 9/10 comps.(and remember, only 2 of our team shot with Dommies in the world's), and brought the silver medal home.

    What Dale says about the glass that you mount on the rifle, is true. You can rather spend more on good quality scopes, than on very expensive rifles to acchieve the same result.

    I say, do what your hart tells you to do, and whatever it is, dont feel bad about it, and enjoy whatever you buy. They can all shoot straight, its up to you.

    How's that for being 100% honest?
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    Hey hdp, Guido who is also on this forum deals in various high end rifles and accesories and his prices are very fair, I would suggest getting hold of him be it for sound advice or prices. I also agree one hundred percent with Dale when he suggests that you visit a club and try out a good few rifles before taking action. I myself am guilty of impulsive purchases only to find that a rifle was too light or the handling was awkward due to my arm length e.t.c. Lastly, I also own an S400 and despite the fact that I could probably have bought a more expensive rifle it must be said that for the price it,s a very sound buy! Good luck with your search!
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    This is some awesome advice and input you guys are throwing my way, the last thing i want is to make the 'wrong' decision!

    Piet - I must agree on the trigger, SNIPER had his set so light it almost catches you by surprise. thanks for the honesty Piet

    Andrew - I will give Guido a call.

    Thanks once again for all your support. Will definitely let you guys know what I decide on 8)
    At the mo i am leaning towards th Dommie, will phone the other guys and get some price and input aswell!

    Cheers
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    [quote1165901337=hdp]


    And he even let me shoot his baby I think i am in love, such a streamline solid feeling gun, very nice.


    [/quote1165901337]

    Come to a shoot next year and you will see that a lot of the guys will be willing to let you have a few shots with their babies.
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    [quote1165902024=Allan]

    Come to a shoot next year and you will see that a lot of the guys will be willing to let you have a few shots with their babies.

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    Next year is too far away, I want my rifle now, NOW
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    hdp.

    i have owned both the EV and the walther. to be very open the ev and the walther off the bench shoot one hole groups. i had the ev first, i struggeled to get a good score with it, when i tried the walther what a difference the physical fit was perfect. this has made a big difference in my shooting. i have jumped a lot of places in the national rankings.

    one thing is get the best scope that you can.
    second thing. get hold of as many rifles as you can in one place. sit down and hold each rifle with your eyes closed, this will give you the best feel for wich rifle fits the best.

    importer has a FWB that you could look at, if you want to be different then that is the rifle to look at it is accuarate and there is only 1 in competition at the moment, Allan might not talk to you for a minute or so as that is his dream rifle in red.

    get what you can afford and you wont go wrong.
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    Thanks Total DOM, I have long monkey arms and i am 185m tall with quite a long neck so a larger rifle should suit me better (i think). I will try and 'feel' as many rifles as i possibly can before i make my decision.

    FWB, is that what it is... must admit she looks very nice. Importer you've got a PM

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    FWb is the rifle on the home page.

    for you then the Steyr is out of the question. the ev has the highest hamster. the long arms are good wrap around your knees so the walther or the ev will fit there.

    importer will also have the ev and the walther to try so give them a bash.

    i hope to see you at a shoot very soon.
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    I have already sent Importer a PM :claphead

    I would like to give all three a 'feel'

    You will definitely see me soon :rocker Can't wait!
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    FWB = Feinwerkbau the P70 being the FT model.Very bling.Not a lot in SA.Still my dream gun.
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