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    Default Interesting review of the Pro-Target

    The following text, borrowed from AirgunBBS, is an interesting and informative look at the AA Pro-Target, written by a long standing FT shooter:

    simona
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    Protarget review

    This review is of a 1997 MK 2 Protarget, a gun I owned from near-new in late 97í to late 05í. It may seem strange to bother reviewing a gun thatís been out of production for about five years, but with so many doing the rounds itís still a very popular second-hand option.

    The gun was purchased before AA field/JSBís became available, and proved erratic with any pellet I tried, despite faultless chrono performance. The barrel was so tight my thumb became sore shoving the pellets in. This got me down, so much so that I was on the point of selling it when AA field came out; performance was a revelation, especially with 4.50ís. This was an unusual aspect of my particular gun as most PTs seem to go well with a tighter pellet, maybe a 4.52 or 4.53.

    Incredibly I did not have to adjust my sight for the next six years. This is a great testament to the quality and accuracy of the construction of the gun, as it was serviced three or four times. The modular construction (and especially the removable scope rail) meant that everything went back as before on reassembly. The gun proved incredibly stable as regards temperature and was so consistent that on arriving at a competition I could confidently check the ranging of my scope by studying the height of impact on a long range target.

    Consistency was in the order of +/- 4 fps and our (thatís me and it together) accuracy was an average of exactly ĹĒ C-C on my clubís 50 yard indoor range with 4.50 AA field. There are several very advanced features on the PT;

    First is the scope rail, this allows accurate removal and replacement of the sight with no zero shift. Slope on scope rail; no packing of scope. Good reach forward on rail. I noticed in the AGW review of the Ďcolourfulí EV2 Nick Jenkinson said that he fitted the scope as far forward as it would go then increased the length of the stock to get eye relief Ė surely not the way to go. Interestingly Nick has fitted a higher (see later paragraph) and longer reach rail to his own EV2.

    Totally floating cylinder and regulator; no zero shift.

    Ambidextrous action; I often used to cock and load with my left hand.

    Direct (and easy access) pellet loading, you can feel bad pellets, not so easy with a bolt or probe.

    External power adjustment; you donít have to take it to bits to tweak it.

    My gun was largely standard, save a black stained stock (by Gary Cane). I did replace the standard barrel shroud (mainly because of the weight of the original) with a simple alloy tube that was bonded directly to the barrel. I shot the gun with the tube open ended, flush with the end of the cylinder; surge was very moderate, though it was noisy. In an effort to reduce this noise I fitted a baffle in the end of the tube Ė surge notably increased so it came out again.

    Iím lucky enough to count Roger Moy as a friend (BFTA chairman) and he knows a thing or two about guns. He always serviced my machine and stressed the importance of the trigger and striker mechanisms being totally dry, free from all lubrication; some moan about PT triggers but mine was always as sweet as a nut.

    Another thing I liked was the high sight line. This allowed me, with my over the arm style, not to have to build the base of the stock up. I really would urge people struggling for height in general to consider raising the sight line rather than building up the depth of the fore-end. This has the effect of lowering the base of the stock (assuming your eye and scope are in the same position as before), crucially this approach keeps the centre of gravity very low and the gun becomes incredibly stable Ė give it a try. True, cant becomes more critical and close range turret settings become extreme (though ranging is so precise at close range you should never get it wrong) but I think itís worth it, especially as close range targets seem to be a thing of the past!

    The greatest thing about this gun was the reliability, it gave such confidence, in competition I never thought about this gun for a moment (trusting it even if it hadnít fired a shot for two months), allowing me to fully focus on the job in hand, what more can you ask for?

    Like a mug I sold this thing for £400 with a pair of 30mm SportsMatch mounts and a butt hook, (hang on, and a gun gear rifle case!) to someone in the club who really wanted it, I fancied a change and the funny thing was I thought I might find something even betterÖÖ..

    In my sporadic FT excursions I managed to win a GP round in 99í and come second in the 04í European Championships, with loads of local wins in winter league rounds etc; all the time knowing that the gun was not an issue, allowing me to find out just how good (or bad!) I was shooting. I secretly believed I had the best possible gun and felt slightly sorry for other competitors having to use something else, even those using supposedly Ďbetterí guns. I may have been deluded but in competition it was a very useful delusion to have.

    In comparison with many modern FT guns the PT seems slow and Ďbuzzyí on discharge Ė but Iíll be dammed if I could see this manifested on the targets. Sometimes the trigger sticks, you have to pull it again to get the machine to cock. Twice I have seen stocks snap through the top of the pistol grip, (heart breakingly this happened to the gun Iím describing; the chap I sold it to dropped it). Some may not like the fact that the trigger shoe and cocking slide are plastic. Many people change the barrels, itís certainly easy to do as fitting (via two easily assessable grub screws) and machining are both very simple. Iíd give the standard one a good go first though. As far as problems go thatís about it.

    I went through a phase of cleaning the barrel about every 1000 shots, and then I just stopped bothering, if anything it became slightly more accurate.

    For about the £400 mark I donít think you can do better, in fact Iím not totally sure you can do better full stop. My P70 has an imperious trigger, Styers donít twitch on firing, Ripleys are made so beautifully but if, bizarrely, I had to shoot an FT comp to save my life, this old thing would be what I would use. Depreciation must also now be nil, if you are interested in trying one you have nothing to lose.

    Best Regards

    Simon

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    superb review mate! Made excellent reading! You seemed to have found something in shooting that I have yet to find, a rifle you can have the utmost confidence in!
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    simona
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    Yes Kieran, I found it... and sold it; says something about human nature that. The grass is not always greener, subsequent experiences have rammed home the value of total reliability, I would take a 13mm group over a 10mm one if I always knew where that slightly larger group would appear.

    I remember an old Russian short story about a wealthy landower in a fertile and bountiful valley in the Ukraine. He promised to give away whatever land anyone could walk around in a single day, so long as they got back to his gaff by nightfall. Greed ensured that he never gave away a square yard; nobody ever got back before dark.

    Simon

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    a very nicely written account of "your old rifle" hope you manage to find another one.
    had mine ten years, others have come and gone.
    my findings pretty much same as yours, i thought mine was the only one with a quirky trigger!
    atb
    nigel

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    fine review simon,agree totally i own a pt and use it with total confidence,ive owned a few guns but never had total confidence in any ov them.imho nothing out there is better than the protarget would never sell it for love or money. perry


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    Dale,
    You should not have posted this review, now all the Dommie shots are going to import PTs.
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    Not if they knew what problems the SA Customs can cause!
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    Johan,
    Do you still believe its Customs?
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    who is it then?
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    gerrief

    in your wildest dreams..........not even then!!!!!
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    customs they have one goal, (make every one suffer)

    i have to deal with them on a regular basis as the stuff that i sell is imported, dhl tnt ups have all had the same problems with my shipments and no one can tell me what the poblem is, at least i know how to speed it up and customs only holds it for a week or so.

    they are part of the government so we all know that it is a permenen go slow, the more you push the more they make you wait. eish i need to stop his cause it just revs me up the wrong way.
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    You're so right, Erroll. The United Link agent warned me that if I contacted "Johanna" of Customs directly, they would probably make me wait even longer - so I have resigned myself to just waiting . . and waiting . .
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    Gentlemen,
    I have been dealing with Customs since 1970. I went through all their changes in the old and new Governments. We are now submitting documents by EDI. The entry submitted and the release/Stop note comes out about 3 hours later. If it is Stopped you are informed immediately and the literature or what ever they need are submitted to them. The inspection takes place and a determination is made and the shipment released within a day or so. It is a long winded process which I will not bore you with now, but it DOES NOT take 3 weeks to solve ANY problem with them. Not with customs. The Border Police,Deptment of Health, Agriculture or one of those guys might keep it up a while but NOT 3 WEEKS.
    Please get me the Unique number, Registration number and Date of Registration and I will tell you at the drop of a hat where your shipment is and why it is really not released yet. Johanna is a team leader in Customs and she WILL NOT keep your shipment any longer if you had to speak to her, although it might not help, other that to find out how "hands on" your agents are. She also has seniors, you know? The names TD is quoting are all Courier Agents. Apart from being extremely expensive they deal mainly in small, very urgent shipments such as tender docs etc.,hence their extremely high prices. If you want and pay for it they will put a courier on board with your parcel, as hand luggage on his lap. We do it all the time. Iíve been all over the world like that in my previous life at a Courier Company. (What a boring job) I have just seen the figures and we have cleared AND delivered 250+ TONNES of Air Freight in the time your shipments are in Customs. Donít let me quote Sea Freight in that time.
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    gerrief

    please help johan
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    Gerrief
    i must have a chat with you to see what i can do to get my stuff cleared sooner.

    just some back ground info. we bring in via sea and air freight via R&L tons of industrial and mining cable from germany. we bring in 2 x 40foot containers a month. this never has any problems.

    the side that gives me headaces is my wireless data units for the mines and factories this comes out of finland. we use dhl and ups mainly as we need it asap. both courier companies tell me that customes has put a stop on it and they are waiting for the documents from customs to see why it was stopped, this can take 2 days. then they tell me that customs is stopping everything for inspections and that they cant do anything to help. then i start to jump and then it takes a week and my stuff lands on my desk with no reason fron dhl or ups as to what the hold up was. this is now 2-3 weeks from date of shipment from finland.

    dhl has told me that made a mistake once, the lady saw CN: 3242343 as country of origin China and not the customs number which was stopped.

    at this stage i dont know what to do so i just accept, this has been going on for 3 years now.

    ill chat to you at the next shoot.
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    SNIPER,
    If he lets me have the info I asked for I can try to help!
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    i will fone you now
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