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    Hey guys,

    I bought a 9l ali a while ago from a Pawn shop near the cost for R100 (bottle still "looked" to be in a very good condition) -some of you might recall that I asked your opinion on the worthiness of this buy...

    Well I Got it and the last time this cylinder was tested was in 98. So took in to a certain dive shop to have it's tests done (holding my thumbs that it will pass...)

    Well the shop examined the bottle and then told me " this ali is about 30 years old man!" The one guy told me...no we won't send it in - they probably...and I QUOTE: " DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT ANYMORE TO DO THE VISUAL TEST...THE HOLE IN THE NECK IS TOO NARROW..."

    The other guy then said: " O well lets send it in and see what they say..." . I was then told that they only send their bottles in on a certain day and they only receive them back on certain days. Basically it will take 2 weeks before I see it again..." no chance to get it earlier" they said.

    Long before the 2 weeks were over I received a call : " Um hi Mr Papenfus, Yes your bottle is here...they couldn't do any testing so you can come get it and it will cost you only R80 ". I tried not to laugh and just said..." Thank you I'll come get it ".

    When I got to the shop 2 days later, the man told me that the price was "R70"...hmmm. So I then asked what the (now) R70 was for if they couldn't DO anything? Then he didn't really know what to say and said it was for transport and handling...

    I then asked to see a pricelist which he gave me. There were prices for EDI tests, Rumbles and all sorts of things but nothing for transport or handling...

    When I asked again what the money was for he said..." We had to courier it to get the job done asap.. ." At this point I nearly burst out in laughter but managed to hold my pose only just. Then he said: " well if you don't want to pay anything you can take the bottle and that's fine too."

    I said tank you very much...and good day sir. When I got to my car I noticed that they had removed the 98 stamp and remembered that the guy also said :" we had to remove it from the system ". This made me quite unhappy.

    This dive shop made me unhappy before, I've never heard a good word about them from anyone who had delt with them (including my brother who did his coarse through them) but unfortunately they are quite big and they KNOW they have a bit of a monopoly in the the area.

    Luckily a very good friend of mine, whom met on the forum told me I should try to take the bottle to a company called Dräger. He had heard of them due to his line of work as an engineer. He gave me their details.

    I phoned the place and the guy I was directed to in the cylinder department was so friendly - made me laugh 3 times in the short conversation. He said they will DEFINITELY have the gear to test it and I can bring it in 8am the next(yesterday) morning. I took it in and received a call this morning just before 9am : " Sir your bottle is tested, certified, and filled to 206 BAR. You can come pick it up anytime today..."

    These guys were an absolute PLEASURE to deal with! They refill bottles at R20+vat and do all the tests necessary! Again...Everyone I delt with there was So friendly and helpful. He even took me on a tour through the facility and showed me how and where they do everything. ps: They have loads of 300 BAR Carbon Fibre Bottles there! These things way NOTHING! And he tells me some scuba divers also use them. I WANT ONE. But..they go for about 4 Grand he said so...maybe that will have to wait + off coarse most dive shops won't be able to fill it to 300BAR.

    They mainly supply and test the bottles the Fire stations use and I think he said they did the bottles for the navy divers (subject to correction).

    O and you can chose how you want your bottle tested 1. For under water use ( then you have to certify it annually) or 2. for Above water use ( only need to certify them every 2 years). I chose option nr one for I scuba from time to time and might want to use the bottle for that too.

    All in all I'll never deal with anyone else ever again If I can help it! I can ABSOLUTELY recommend them. They are situated in Stikland , right next to the R300 at the end of the Bottelary Road: 021 9454241.


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    Shows you, some good and some bad !

    I have (up to date) never had any bottles that could not be tested, and I've probably sent in about 500 bottles. I had 1 failed, the bottle was found underwater by a diver, filled with water.
    As for a visual, you don't screw any equipment into a cylinder to do a visual, you look and that's why it's called a visual. for the other tests equipment is screwed into the bottles to test for expansion and so forth.
    As for the costs. the 1 bottle that failed there was no cost, but there could be a cost as the company that does the testing still had to test (well not in your case).
    Choose carefully who you deal with......
    Oh and another thing to all you airgunners ... ask that your bottles be filled, allowed to cool down and then topped up again. Let's say a bottle is filled to 230 bar, the air heats up under pressure, when the air cools down again the pressure will drop. It depends how fast the bottle is pumped, the faster the more heat will be generated, the more the pressure will drop !!.
    Another thing .. A-Clamp Rating = 230bar, Din Rating = 300bar allowed pressure.

    Hope I helped
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    Not every diveshop (as in any other activity) actually cares about their customers.
    I sent in a 2nd hand bottle for all required tests, came back passed, sold it, 3 months later another diveshop scrapped the bottle because they weren't happy with it. I had the company come out and check the bottle ... nothing wrong ... showed the client ... gave him all the paperwork ... but not my fight ...
    I say again, choose carefully who you deal with, some care and some don't !
    I have found that by the coast there's more who don't care !
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    Yea ..know what you mean. Before I left with my bottle the guy tried to offer to SELL me a bottle for R1750 !! I'm sure they never even sent the bottle in! He just took me (miss took in the end) for a fool and wanted to sell me the 2nd hand one he had...

    Just shows you hey...
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    Vuilhond, watch out for 300 bar cylinders. Nothing wrong with them but if you crack it open too quickly you could over pressurise your rifle that is only rated at 190 or 200 bar. Another thing to be careful of is when filling your rifle, dont rely on the gauge on the gun because they react more slowly than standard pressure gauges and you could think that your gun is not yet filled to capacity and then suddenly you,re over full so buy seperate gauge and fill the rifle yourself if you are going the 300 bar route.

    Another thing, I have an aluminium cylinder and they are all old. Steel is lighter because they can use a much thinner wall thickness and in addition, steel cylinders are lower maintenance. The din fitting is also much less dodgy given the way it screws into the cylinder. The ally cylinder just uses thread tape but the steel variant uses a proper seal.

    Lastly, was this dive shop by any chance in Claremont?
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    Andrew,

    1.about the 300 BAR cylinders:Yes, I know about all the risks involved with using a 300BAR cylinder - I don't think I'll get one within the next few years - mainly due to the price but also due to the fact that most dive shops aren't used to them yet and also if I wanted to fit them to my scuba gear - I'd have to get another adaptor to bring the pressure down. They also have a absolute MAX life span of 20 years after wich they are scraped. All in all: people aren't used to them yet and at this stage they are still a bit of a specialist's item.

    2. With regards to filling up my rifle - well I think I'm almost too conservative when I do it. I let the gauge (Marked in 10 BAR intervals) rise painfully slow - but hey -better safe than sorry I always say.

    3.The ali Cylinder I'm using is quite old but... From the looks of it it is still in a fantastic condition and what really counts for it , is the fact that the neck is made unusually thick. Most ali's that fail, do so at the neck where the rise from the bottle to the neck is very sudden. With mine the rise is very gradual and the neck is quite thick...

    I do prefer steel cylinders but hey - at R100 a bottle, who would refuse a 9 Liter Ali??

    O and another thing that I realised last night: I was looking at the certificate that they gave me. Now at one stage there are 3 possible blocks they could tick with regards to the condition of the bottle: Good , Fair and fail. Mine was ticked GOOD!!! And again - this is the bottle that the dive shop told me the best thing I could do with it was to make a braaier out of it !! #$%^%^%$^!!@#@#Y&*

    4. About the dive shop itself, well I really WANT to tell you their name but I'd rather do that in Person. I will tell you that they are not in claremont (although I woun't be surprised if there is more than one diveshop that tries to rip off people like this one). I will tell you that the shop is very close indeed to the actual sea, that I live in stellenbosch and that the shop is NOT based in Cape Town

    May you never have to deal with them...
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    Vuilhond, your profile still states that you live in Pretoria, or do you just sleep here? Do give Vincent a reply to his enquiry in the chatbox - I think you may have missed it. Good luck with your R100 bargain.
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    He he well yes. I'm studying in Stellenbosch and I'm domiciled here , but I live in Pretoria.

    Yes I guess I missed that reply - will go look now and thanks - I'm already lovin my bargain!

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    ah, the one in the Strand..hehe
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    Well, I can't stop people from making their own conclusions now can I ? he he
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