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Thread: Some NOOB PCP questions..

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    Hi everyone.

    I haven't posted on here again since 2012 I think, when I had my Gamo Whisper CFR adapted to Nitro piston and "trigger-jobbed" by MZE (Vincent).
    Myself and my brother are looking at getting started with basic PCP setups and I have a couple of questions that some might be able to answer for us.

    We stay in the Strand which is about 50km from Cape Town, so some questions might be related to where we can have certain things done in our area.
    We have decided on 5.5mm Kral Puncher Breaker Bullpup rifles (280cc) as our first rifles. We like the compactness of it, decent pricing and acceptable accuracy.
    We mainly did plinking and target shooting in the past at 25m - 30m, so that will hopefully be upped a bit on distance.

    A single air cylinder and filling station will be shared as a starting point, and we are looking at 6L to 10L 300bar steel and stainless filling station fittings in that respect.
    Locally in our area (Helderberg) it seems they only refill 200bar tanks.

    Some questions I have for the Cape Town guys and the forum :


    1. Where do you have your tanks refilled / tested in CPT? (300bar)
    2. Where would be a good place to look for decent 2nd-hand tanks / refill stations (I have Blades & Triggers as an option already)
    3. Is my decision of a 300bar tank for a 200bar rifle a good idea instead of 200bar?
    4. What would be a decent silencer for a 1/2" UNF male-threaded rifle if I don't get a Kral silencer? (I've read about the Air Arms Q-Tec being pretty good)



    Thanks for any and all comments!

    Danté

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    If you use a 200 bar cylinder to fill a 200bar rifle then after the 1st fill your air supply is already less than 200 bar.

    A 230 or 300 bar cylinder is much better and will give many fills to 200bar but you must be very careful not to overfill. Need to just 'crack' the valve open the slightest amount and fill very slowly. The air cools down as it leaves the scuba tank and then heats up again as it enters and pressurises the rifle's empty tank. If you fill too fast the heat can damage o-ring seals and the like.

    Regarding silencers... the Weihrauch silencers are excellent if you can source one. There are also locally made options.
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    Agree. Weihrach silencers are brilliant.
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    Tula silencers are awesome, and fatboy Mark supports his product well.
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    Ok, I've spoken to Mark about his silencers and I'm keen.
    I also have a possible 7L 300bar bottle in my area with recent Hydro test.

    So I just need to find out where my closest refill / test place would be for 300bar then.

    Thanks for the suggestions and comments.
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    Alpha Dive Centre in Strand will fill to 250 bar: Scuba Diving Cape Town | Contact Alpha Dive Centre
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    Quote Originally Posted by EGGMAN View Post
    Ok, I've spoken to Mark about his silencers and I'm keen.
    I also have a possible 7L 300bar bottle in my area with recent Hydro test.

    So I just need to find out where my closest refill / test place would be for 300bar then.

    Thanks for the suggestions and comments.

    You can't go wrong with a Tula.
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    Howdy.

    We have now gotten everything that is needed to go shoot some targets.
    Just need one more bit of advice from the forum..


    I currently have a Gamo 4-16x50 AO Scope.
    I used my previous airgun mostly for bench target shooting (Bean bag) , so would like to continue with that but push the distance out to 50M+

    Would a Hawke SF 6-24x44, or any decent 24x max scope be a wiser choice for some 50m shooting vs the 16x ? Or am I buying something I wouldn't need?

    We haven't been able to go shoot because of rain the past few weekends(A good thing for us Cape Town guys at least), so couldn't test the 16x at 50m yet.


    Hawke | Vantage SF 6-24x44 ˝ Mil Dot
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    In my opinion a 6-24 scope for 50m is overkill... a 4x scope will do just fine at 50m, but I'd go for a 3-9x or 3-12x scope and you'll have all the magnifying power any air rifle will need... Well that's my opinion anyway
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    Kry vir jou die grootste moontlike vergroting wat jy kan bekostig. Mens raak egter bederf met die groot vergroting. Voor ek begin het met veldteiken was 16x net die ding. n 20mil kol op 100m was "groot" Nou dat ek bederf geraak het met 40-50x is die 16x nie meer goed genoeg nie.
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    I am a firm beleiver that to be able to shoot accurately, you need to see the target clearly.

    More magnification is therefore better in my book, up to a point. The higher the magnification the more pronounced any movement of the rifle will be. Even your heartbeat will be seen in crosshair movement.

    For what you want to do higher magnification should imo make it easier to shoot accurately.

    Also ,take into consideration lens quality, at 16x and over this can have a huge effect on clarity. Look through the scope you want to buy, at max magnification the picture should stay crisp and clear with little to no edge distortion or milkiness. The cheaper scopes normally struggle with this, Hawke’s not so much.
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    The Vantage is Hawke's entry level range. A 24x with 44mm objective will not produce as bright an image as your current 16x with 50mm lens, regardless of optic quality. In bright ligjt it won't be an issue but shooting into shade or in overcast conditions you'll notice.

    Most of the 'affordable' zoom scopes I have used or owned go a bit milky at max. zoom so I prefer to use them at less than max. It also makes the eye position behing the scope a bit less critical. So e.g. I use my NS Targetmaster 4-16 up to 12x and my 6-24x50 Hawke Airmax up to 16x only.

    If you really want better image quality for longer range targets it would be better to save up for something from Hawke's Airmax range or higher.

    Consider also if you will enter competitions. For FT, HFT and Benchrest each has specific and different scope requirements so research these before spending your hard earned $$$.
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    Thanks for the replies everyone.
    Ek sal Saterdag gaan loer by Suburban Guns wat daar is.

    I might need to sell my old Gamo Whisper Nitro piston to help fund better glass.
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    @Eggman

    It seems that I am in a very similar position that you are/were in.

    I shot school league back in the day, and the time has come to play at longer distances.

    Just a few questions:
    1) What did you decide on ito filling station and why? Would you buy anything different now that you have had a bit of time in the industry?
    2) What scope did you go for?
    3) When buying did you by any chance have a look at the Nova Alpha series? If so how does it compare to the Kral?

    Kind regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letum View Post
    Just a few questions:
    1) What did you decide on ito filling station and why? Would you buy anything different now that you have had a bit of time in the industry?
    2) What scope did you go for?
    3) When buying did you by any chance have a look at the Nova Alpha series? If so how does it compare to the Kral?
    1) We bought an entry-level stainless steel filling station from Blades & Triggers (300 bar). Works great, no fancy features.
    2) Hawke Vantage SF 6-24X50 IR (1/2 MIL DOT) , my brother got the Hawke Vantage AO 4-12x40 (Mil Dot)
    3) We only looked at bullpups unfortunately.


    We have only really had one proper wind-less day to go shoot and sight in everything and the rifles are very accurate for our use. (only got to do 25m and 50m)
    I bought the Puncher Breaker in Wallnut Stock and my brother got the Synthetic stock one.
    The synthetic is much more lighter.

    What we did find though was that my brother's filling hole was cutting our filling nipple o-rings every time.
    So I had to file down a badly machined lip on one of the air entry holes inside the filling hole.

    After that we had no more issues.

    We also took our old springers along and found that it was still way more fun to shoot those again.
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