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    hi
    still very new to air rifles (archer myself)
    i'm looking at at HW97 .177 or .20
    the up's and downs of the 2 rifles

    do all of u guys shoot comp's and braai and have a few beers after or is it a very competitive (general) sport- besides the protea boys .
    can i compete with the .20 springer ?
    probably not the brightest questions but will learn slowly as i'm a slow learner and u guy's seem very keen to teach.
    thanks
    grant
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    Most guys will tell you, the only drawback of the .20 is the limited pellet choice.
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    .177 in sub 18fpe springers for me every time...

    .20 limits you in ammo choice, compromises you in the trajectory especially sub 16fpe, ...not my first choice in a medium powered springer.
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    For competition .177 is better for its flatter trajectory. We are limited to 12 foot pounds energy at the muzzle. The formula used is as follows:

    Mass of pellet in grains x (pellet velocity in feet per second) squared divided by 450240.

    An 8.4 grain pellet gives you an upper limit of just over 800 feet per second. To be within this limit with a 13.5 grain .20 pellet your rifle will be limited to about 625 feet per second. This will mean a ver loopy trajectory out to 50 metres.

    See the rules regarding FT at saftaa.co.za
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    They don't call the .20 the compromise calibre for nothing.
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    in english u guys say .177 is a better choice??

    do u guys shoot competition or just talk k-k ??
    i talk k-k most of the time but .20 to shoot birds -rabbits etc-

    i am trying to find out if most of you guys shoot comp's etc as i've been reading this forum and you guy's know plenty about rifles and prices which is in any sport a high priority- the ripper - the pauper - the survivor!!!

    buy a .177 or .20 or what ???

    the hw97 or HW100 or S 400 /410
    hunted plenty- not to buy rifle for birds etc-
    my son is eight and bought him a bb last week- R800-00 for something really shitty- but thats fine everyone needs to make a living - as you learn you loose less!!1

    I would like to know is there a average rifle to do most things- shoot with the stars(not beat them but be able to compete in the same class or something very close)
    and a rifle that can be enjoyed????

    i can tell you probably most things about archery but here i'm a real d-ck h--d.
    hope to have a good response not a Jonni ( just a joke)

    Grant
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    hi
    you guys where posting while i was - need time to take it in
    (slow remember)
    Grant
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    hi again
    is there a springer and pcp class- different class .

    do you guys compete and enjoy the comp's or not.
    please fill me in???

    i 'm think going to buy a hw97 if not this year early next year ( have over 8 bows and seem to like this air rifle thing - been on this forum every night for the past 3 weeks and really like it)

    just trying to find more about the daily runnings of air rifles.
    will i be buying a rifle to keep myself busy or will i be joining you guys or others at gatherings???

    if i'm being full of sh-t just tell me and i'll stop talkinggg k-k

    Grant
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    If you want to shoot competition - get .177 sub 12fplbs + scope with mag at least 16 for a begining (preferably 50 mag), set your rifle and scope for 8m-50m and you can come and shoot at the next provincial with the biggest stars. HW97K is a good choice but it's a springer, so it's more difficult to shoot and not everyone is keen to shoot springers. The rifle is capable of winning any competition but it all depends on the shooter behind. S400 is regarded as one of the best cost/equipment choices for competition and it's a PCP (no recoil) so it's much easier to learn.
    For hunting .20 gives you better power but the trajectory is not that flat with HW97K as you can't increase the power too much without other implications (accuracy). In .20 better choice is a PCP (talon or condor may be) which allow you to have greater power and flatter trajectory.
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    Grant, I am not following wtf are you talking about? please retype when not under the influence
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trad Mad View Post
    do you guys compete and enjoy the comp's or not.

    if i'm being full of sh-t just tell me and i'll stop talkinggg k-k

    Grant
    We just compete but we don't enjoy it!

    And yes you are talking k-k - rather go and get yourself a nice rifle instead of too much talk!
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    hi
    thanks for the reply- do you shoot comp's and what is your set-up??

    do most of the top guy's shoot with s400 or someting else??

    is ther a springer class -seperate to the pcp or not??????????

    thanks
    Granr
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    ja- JTK
    some wine with the wife - you think i've had one to many fine- will talk 2morrow again-

    Grant

    p.s keep the beers cold and maybe you will shoot straight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trad Mad View Post
    hi
    thanks for the reply- do you shoot comp's and what is your set-up??

    do most of the top guy's shoot with s400 or someting else??

    is ther a springer class -seperate to the pcp or not??????????

    thanks
    Granr
    Personally I do but I'm also very new - only for few months. I shoot with HW97K .177 and MTC Viper 8-32x60.

    Most of the top guys shoot with EVs or Walther Dominators but JasonG was 3rd in the World in 2006 with S400, so S400 is capable of winning World medals. EVs and Dominators are better as they are regulated, the stock is specially designed for competions etc. but they cost a lot of money and the cost is not justified until you know why you want such rifles.

    There is no special springer class officialy all the time but at some of the competitions they give prize for best springer score.
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    thanks swordfish

    you must be able to shoot well but is there a advantage in the equipment area?

    EV 2 - S 400 there is a huge difference in price$$$$

    is this a equipment competition or not????????

    not trying to make waves but i think it is a viable question.

    Grant
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